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The Letters Page: Episode 57

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Iron Legacy timeline & Alternate Realities/Timelines

Intro

One of the most important heroes of Sentinel Comics is also one of its most terrible villains. Today, we cover the Fall of Legacy.

Show Notes:

Run Time: 1:50:40

In the first few minutes - after a bit of nonsensical side-tracking - we get right into the appearances of Iron Legacy in the history of Sentinel Comics. With that, we also tell some of the historical elements of the Young Legacy story, as that's a necessary part of the story setup.

And then, things start getting really spread out. Good thing we've got your questions to help figure everything out! We get into your Iron Legacy questions right around the fifteen minute mark.

We cover how Iron Legacy can be "stronger" than Legacy, various art elements, what's going on with other heroes and villains in the Iron Legacy timelines, and even more odd food analogies for how we deal with time and reality and such, and more!

We are forced to take an emotions break around 45 minutes in. Then, we get back to more cheery Iron Legacy stuff. Yay?

Then, around eight minutes after the one hour mark, we get into alternate reality and timelines questions! Way more positive stuff!

Get ready for topics about alternate versions of lots of heroes and villains, Disparation stories, outside reality/time, and a few other things - we're all over the place.

Around an hour and 20 minutes in, we reveal our true, secret goal behind everything we've done for the bulk of the last decade... So now you know!

A bit after that, we get into possibly the most delightful segment we've ever done - the Animal-verse! Warning: we get REALLY silly.

Before wrapping up, we talk a bit about environments!

Last, but certainly not least, we mentioned our new Patreon last week, and we're putting more stuff up on it over the course of this week! We're looking forward to making this show even more awesome with your help!

Characters Mentioned

Summary

Iron Legacy Overview

  • Iron Legacy has been discussed several times in previous episodes, so this is mostly going to be discussing aspects that haven't come up before.
  • The first time this stuff started showing up was in the late-'80s in America's Finest Legacy #201 (within a few years of Visionary's first appearance) and is one of the first major plot things to result from the shattering of the timelines. We get a discussion between Visionary and Legacy about alternate realities and if there was a Legacy in her time (which is where the "much... angrier man" line from "Prophetic Vision" comes in). By the end of the issue a much angrier Legacy shows up and our Legacy asks if this is the one she remembers. He's not; this one is much worse (hers was a stern person, but not a tyrant).
  • Just prior to AFL #202 which continues this story, we have the Fall of Legacy one-shot that explains this Legacy's back-story (the death of Felicia Parsons, etc.). Up to this point in Sentinel Comics, Felicia hasn't been a hero - over the ~30 years that she's been in comics at all she's gone from birth to her early teens. Her "first appearance" listing of Justice Comics #182 is the story with her birth, which makes this one-shot the first time we've seen her as Young Legacy (even if it's technically some alternate-reality version of her). The projected future of the main timeline would have Baron Blade kill Legacy, but in this alternate reality (for various reasons) his daughter is present on that mission instead and Blade kills her. This is the turning point that creates Iron Legacy (his thought process being that he can't count on there being more Legacies in the future to help save the world, so he has to take steps now while he's still around to do so).
  • That brings us back to AFL #202 and his presence in the main timeline. Lots of heroes show up to stop him, nobody can do so until a last ditch effort by Visionary manages to force a crack in realities wider and send him through (where he winds up is not addressed). It is a fast-paced and rather brutal issue.
  • A year later is the Freedom Six one-shot and takes place in Iron Legacy's home reality. Nothing in this issue crosses over into the main continuity, but it was an interesting story to tell (although a depressing one - Legacy has a "join me or die" mentality, the Freedom Six forms under Tachyon to stand against him, and they fail). This is also kind of an experiment in what would, a few years later, result in the publication of Disparation - would readers care enough about alternate-reality stories to justify a book dedicated to them?
  • His next appearance was in 1990, just before Vengeance, with The Final Legacy 6-issue limited series. It starts in his timeline showing what things are like there before transitioning him back into the canon timeline. This time the fight is more protracted with heroes forming ad hoc teams and trying to figure out how to beat this guy, which is ultimately successful. At the end of things he does fall through time again, but this is after a legitimate defeat by the heroes.
  • For a good decade the most we see of Iron Legacy is the occasional Disparation story set in his home timeline - some taking place before TFL and some after, in which he's still missing.
  • In 2000 [they say 2010 here but between the 10 years mentioned as having passed since TFL and the stuff they say two bullet points from here, I'm assuming this was a mistake] there's an appearance in Justice Comics, but it's a fake-out as it turns out to be a flesh-child.
  • Another decade passes with not much happening except for the odd Disparation book in his timeline again.
  • Then we get to 2010 and Freedom Five Annual #25. This does a modern-format retelling of the Iron Legacy story (collecting the various threads from the old AFL issues, one-shots, and the limited series and telling it all in one go), as well as a new story with everybody having to fight him again. This time, when he's defeated we see him actually returned to his home timeline (and a return to power there) rather than just pushed out into the time stream again, so it's good that he's not in the canon timeline any more, but bad in that he's back to being a tyrant back in his home reality.
  • During OblivAeon there's a one-shot, The Time Trust, that doesn't really have much to do with OblivAeon, although is important to the event. As stated several times, when two realities overlap enough they mutually annihilate one another (which is OblivAeon's main method of destroying things). The canon timeline has resisted this and is where the bulk of the actual fight against OblivAeon is happening. La Comodora and Chrono-Ranger are working together in this book to prevent these events - going around to various timelines to do what they can to disrupt the process. During this, they come across the Iron Legacy timeline - which has been all-out war between IL and the heroes and is just a mess, it's basically down to Legacy and the Wraith as the last ones standing by this point and Wraith has had to cross so many lines in the process (becoming the new Chairman for example) that in any other timeline she'd be one of the worst villains and even in victory here she'd basically just take Legacy's place ruling the ash heap - and determine that this reality has to go. Sacrificed to prevent the destruction of others as La Comodora does something to erase it from existence.
  • The Iron Legacy timeline is there to set an example as "an awful place" and never really resolves anything - even at the end it was just erased rather than having any kind of internal narrative end point.

Iron Legacy Questions

  • After Felicia dies, how long is the transition period into Iron Legacy and what's the rest of the Freedom Five's reaction to this process? Where do the comics pick up? it's told pretty quickly (like a montage taking up a few pages) in The Fall of Legacy, but it's not overnight. He leaves the team right away (and the Freedom Four continue without him) and it's months before he starts fighting crime again (although already harsher), but maybe five years before he's fully Iron Legacy. We see more of this in The Final Legacy as they take a bit more time to show the process.
  • Assuming all realities started at one point and then simply diverged from one another over time, one assumes that Iron Legacy travels back in time while transitioning between realities too; how far in the "future" was the Iron Legacy timeline compared to the canon timeline? Yes, by necessity Iron Legacy is traveling back in time too (not only are the pivotal events at Wagner Mars Base in the "future" of the canon timeline, but Iron Legacy has been Iron Legacy for some time before showing up here). He's a solid decade, if not more, older than the canon Legacy. It's also the case that timelines aren't all set up next to one another in lockstep - things take longer or shorter periods to happen in different realities so that there's not a one-to-one correspondence between events that occur in multiple realities as seen from an outside viewer.
  • It seems like Iron Legacy is more powerful than the canon Legacy, even when accounting for the latter "holding back" (e.g. no-selling a full-strength punch from Haka on "Armored Fortitude"), so how did he become so powerful? There's a few things at play. When introduced, Iron Legacy needs to be stronger for narrative purposes and so he's written as stronger. Later, when more time is given to this stuff, the determination is that "our" Legacy is this strong, but he's got some subconscious limiters in play - he's not "holding back" intentionally, but he's also not reached the mindset that would allow him to let loose to this extent. As for the Haka thing, one of Legacy's defined powers is a "single attack negation" that should allow him to tank such a hit, but "our" Legacy wouldn't - he'd still move to defend or otherwise act in ways other than simply standing there and taking it as an intimidation move. Everything about Iron Legacy is meant to result in you being sad that a Legacy is doing the things he's doing but his friends can't get through to him.
  • Looking at the card art for Legacy and Iron Legacy it appears that the latter had his nose broken at some point; who managed to do that? During the Freedom Six one-shot, at the height of the action, Iron Legacy tanks a huge lightning bolt that Tempest sends his way, but this uses up his Single Attack Negation. As he turns towards Tempest to retaliate, Bunker (the former Fright Train because Legacy already murdered the original Bunker) punches him square in the face. This doesn't really effect Legacy that much as he shrugs it off with an "Are you finished?" comment before continuing the beat-down, but it was a big moment for the team as now at least they've seen him bleed. A note on Fright Train even being here: this was a big triumphant moment in the fight as well as when the team tried to recruit him earlier in the book he'd declined, so him showing up for the big punch was a Big Damn Hero entry.
  • So, we know that Ambuscade has joined up with Iron Legacy [see Freedom Six Tachyon's incapacitated art], do any other heroes/villains do likewise? Ambuscade has a leadership position as the Iron Hand and there's the army of Spite clones that he's taken from Pike. Ambuscade was a good get for this as his background makes him well-suited to hunting down heroes. The Spite clones can act with some agency in a fight, but are largely mindless beyond that. The only hero that really works for him (temporarily) is Parse. Legacy goes to RevoCorp, kills Revenant, and co-ops their private prison system for his own use and he puts the coldly analytical Parse in charge of it (and this would have been established when Parse was still kind of just maybe coming out of the "murderer" phase of her character arc). She does, eventually, learn more about Iron Legacy and starts trying to work against him. He discovers this and kills her.
  • The Iron Guard are mentioned in some Freedom Six bios: who are they, what are their uniforms like, etc.? They are the people who work for Legacy as a kind of army (Ambuscade, now the Iron Hand, is in charge of it). They're people (unarguably, as opposed to the Spite clones), some of whom joined willingly and others pressed into service. They're kind of a militaristic police force - there to keep the general populace in line more than going after the heroes. Their outfits are in line with Ambuscade's look on Freedom Six Tachyon's foil incapacitated art - harsh lines, canvas jump-suit kind of look, evocative of Nazi uniforms in the cut of the fabric, the Legacy lantern badge like Ambuscade's wearing there, etc..
  • Where did Iron Legacy's armor come from? Not much story there, he just eventually shows up wearing it. The most that's said of it is that he's more concerned with his own life now that there won't be more Legacies after him. Honestly it's kind of redundant given his normal durability, but it represents that change in outlook.
  • Any chance of Adam doing an Iron Legacy story cover evocative of the famous one from the "Days of Future Past" X-Men story? He drew that for fun one time (it's got Mr. Fixer and Unity on it). This was probably drawn back before Shattered Timelines was released, which pretty much means that Adam hates it now. If he finds it he might tweet it, so keep an eye out.
  • What's the torch-shaped building on his character card? First, it's mostly just there to make the skyline unique and evoke a "future dystopia" feeling. In-story, it's the torch from the Statue of Liberty - he's destroyed the statue and taken the torch with him for this purpose.
  • Who are the characters in the foreground on "Vigilance"? They're civilians, but are helping the resistance and are, therefore, hiding. They don't appear on any other cards.
  • On "Iron Justice", who is Legacy lifting? Ra, who dies in this scene. It's kind of a preview of his look as Horus of Two Horizons which, in-comics, wouldn't be a thing for another 5 years or so.
  • Is "Final Evolution" the scene where Felicia was killed? Is Legacy crushing a Regression Serum vial? Yes and yes. The narrative focus here is that Legacy is able to "power through" the effects of the Regression Serum and kills Baron Blade here by throttling him.
  • Who's the figure on the right side of "Demoralizing Presence"? From left to right, the prisoners are Radioactivist, Osiris, and Haka. This was the "first appearance" of Radioactivist as just a background character that another writer liked and so got permission to actually use (Osiris is also a bit different here as the Ennead's original story had a different look about them).
  • "Rule From the Front" has what looks like a "Legacy flag" - is this in the Iron Legacy timeline? It's in the main canon timeline - when Iron Legacy is brought into the main timeline again for The Final Legacy a big chunk of his reality crosses over too and part of those surroundings included his flag.
  • What happened between Iron Legacy and Citizen Dawn? What about the Citizens? Citizen Dawn isn't the type to submit to anybody. When he shows up to recruit her she refuses. They fight, destroying Insula Primalis in the process, but she manages to escape. She goes to establish her own territory - Madagascar is now The Land of the Sun where the Citizens live and she's able to shut him out by actively maintaining a bubble of energy around it with her powers. This is indicative of the situation in this timeline - there are other groups out there beyond his reach, but it's not a stable nation-states kind of situation. The Citizens of the Sun will raid other places when they need something, so it's not like they're setting up trading partners or anything. Powered individuals can find refuge with them, but normal people who make it to the island are just killed there on the shore.
  • How does Iron Legacy's rule effect Gloomweaver's power? Initially Gloomweaver was able to harvest the grief and anguish caused by Iron Legacy, but the problem is that the Cult cannot remain active due to Legacy's rule. It's also just not something that's really addressed on the page as it's not the type of story that they were telling with their limited time spent in this timeline.
  • How does he deal with larger threats like Akash'Bhuta or the Voss Invasion without help from other heroes? Well, again, these are the wrong kinds of stories (the stories told here aren't about magic or space - they're about this totalitarian state and the conflicts inherent to that). There is one time that it's addressed from an outside viewpoint. There's a Disparation story that's not initially obviously about this particular timeline where some space stuff is going on, but at one point there's a conversation about this terribly planet with a despotic ruler, etc. One character then asks what this planet is called and the answer is "Earth". The entire solar system is quarantined because of how terrible this place is - the Thorathians don't want to go there. Akash'Bhuta doesn't factor in and can be assumed to just be dormant (the big story with her had just happened a few years prior in any case).
  • What would Iron Legacy's reaction be if he saw his daughter in the guise of Ivanna (see "You Won't Believe Your Eyes" from Madame Mittermeier's Fantastic Festival of Conundrums and Curiosities)? That's tough. Both his daughter and Baron Blade have been dead for a long time. He'd probably just attack as he does when he encounters Young Legacy in the main timeline, asserting that it's some kind of trick.
  • How does his wife the Senator handle Paul's villainous transformation? First, she's not a Senator yet (that doesn't happen until after Vengeance and although the Iron Legacy timeline is "ahead" of the main one, there wasn't any sort of indication that this is where her character was going at that time). We don't really see her reaction to Iron Legacy. The death of Felicia drives a wedge between Emily and Paul - she took her daughter's death hard as well and they both become withdrawn, embittered people afterward and she doesn't like where he's heading well before he gets to Iron Legacy and so leaves.
  • Why no Environment deck representing the timeline (say, an Iron Megalopolis to rival Rook City as the difficult Environment)? Well, if they were to do one it wouldn't be specifically Megalopolis as they've already done a "difficult city environment" deck (although "police state" would have a different vibe to it). Beyond that, it never occurred to them to make an environment out of that setting as the Iron Legacy stories being told in the game are in the "main" timeline.
  • Is the fact that the SotM rule-set doesn't allow you to play as the whole Freedom Six team at once indicative of anything? There wasn't a design decision behind them being a six-person team (and so you can't play them all at once). It's that they were a six-person team in the story. Sure, the Freedom Five were a five-person team because the game allows for five hero decks, but this is not a case of that. In fact, the Freedom Five were the only team that was designed so that they could be played together at once. Dark Watch and Prime Wardens just worked out that way.
  • What made Fright Train decide to become a hero? So, Steven Graves has been around since the '70s as part of Bunker's back story, but a lot of his downfall has been a matter of circumstance. In the Iron Legacy timeline he'd hung up the train stuff and just patrols this one neighborhood. When Tachyon comes to recruit him she pitches it as a matter that she knows that he can fight and that he's capable of doing more good than just his work in this one area. He declines at first, but eventually shows up at a critical moment, as described earlier.
  • Did Biomancer have any reasons (besides Mr. Fixer's insistence) to help with Unity? Sure, he was somewhat forced to submit to Mr. Fixer's demands, but there was an undercurrent of him (of course) having some plan as well (although whatever that would be is never shown). It does lead to the question of whether anyone can actually trust this Unity.
  • In Tempest's Freedom Six incapacitated art we see a destroyed Maerynian Refuge - did Iron Legacy destroy it? Yup. He genocided them again. It wasn't as nice of a refuge at this point anyway; it was more of an interment camp.
  • Why is [Team Leader] Tachyon so good? They're glad that so many people like her, but she's not their preferred way to play her. Adam likes Super Scientific Tachyon (which gets Christopher to bring up a time when he managed to beat the 2-round demo of the video game, which Handelabra thought was impossible and hadn't planned for that as a possible game state, by using this variant).
  • Tempest's original incapacitated art shows him missing an arm (which would lead into his Freedom Six version); Wraith's shows her crouching behind a gravestone with blank white eyes which is the only other time we see that effect besides her Freedom Six variant [I note that the Freedom Five variant does as well]. Does that mean that Iron Legacy blinded her? No, the eyes are just a stylistic choice. Frankly Adam is surprised that he did the blank white eye thing for as few characters as he did as it's a fairly common comic book trope (Naturalist does and several others have glowing eyes of some sort). Her normal mask is just a mask and isn't doing anything, while the Price of Freedom mask is doing something. Additionally, the initial art for Wraith did have the white eyes, but they changed it to humanize her a bit.
  • What's the Organization like with her in charge? It's pretty much the same sort of empire (she has to use it as it was built to be used in order for it to be valuable). She's mostly using it as a power base for herself, but tries to help people too (changing up the rackets). There's a focus on societal destabilization that she's leaning on it for in order to attack the structure and economy of Legacy's police state. Ultimately, she kind of becomes as bad as the Chairman as a result of using it, though.
  • In the Bunker episode it was mentioned that Legacy tied Bunker to the train tracks, but Graves didn't die right away when hit - so what happened? Iron Legacy does kill him later, it's just that getting hit by a train is not, in itself, enough to kill him.
  • What heroes are still alive in the Iron Legacy Timeline? Define hero. Also, at what point in the timeline? Wraith is still around for a long time, but is she still a "hero"? Tachyon is around [until the Iron Hand puts her down]. Haka's still alive, but in that prison camp. So... pretty much "no heroes" are alive on Earth (some space-based people might be around out beyond the quarantine).
  • How long does it take for the Freedom Six to realize that Legacy was beyond redemption and who stood up first to recruit the others? It wasn't a "realized first" thing - Legacy left the team and continued to operate for a while. As the world continues to get darker as time goes on the Freedom Four eventually just drift apart. I mean, Legacy has a moment of realization along the lines of "Oh, heroes are creating villains and so I need to stop all of this." Maybe the best example of a turning point is when Iron Legacy kills Bunker - that message gets received loud and clear and the team breaks up for good and goes into hiding. A long time later Tachyon starts putting a team together and even that takes a while to get going.
  • What happened to the other teams/heroes (Dark Watch, Haka, etc.)? Why are there some villains imprisoned rather than taken out permanently? Dark Watch definitely tries to defeat him, and are now definitely dead. Haka was mentioned earlier (initially imprisoned, later breaks out and incites a prison riot, then gets encased in concrete and dumped in the ocean). Which villains are still alive are mostly a matter of who comes quietly. If he shows up and they resist, they're dead.
  • The Parse episode mentioned that Iron Legacy had killed his universe's version of her, but also that she'd be a very different person in realities without the Cosmic Omnitron event; the Omnitron episode said that OblivAeon's attention had been drawn to the canon timeline due to quickly Omnitron was dealt with by the heroes (among other things) and so brought it back for round two - how does the Omnitron arc play out in the Iron Legacy timeline and how does this impact the fate of that universe's Kim Howell (and Iron Legacy's experience with her relating to "our" Parse)? First - there was no Cosmic Omnitron event in the Iron Legacy timeline. Second - there is a Kim Howell as Parse in that timeline. Third - it's not really discussed in the stories told in that timeline. At first she's just installed as the head of RevoCorp when Legacy kills Revenant with little story focus other than "here's a person readers recognize". In the later story where she starts working against him there's a passing reference made that her analytical abilities were increased after she encountered some glowing rock from space, but that's the extent of it as she's just really not around for much story here and so there's no time taken up to go into detail. Alternate reality stories in general get by on a lot of narrative shorthand - they have to establish what's going on and how things are different in a very short number of pages relative to ongoing stories, so shortcuts are taken whenever possible to get the ideas across and rely on readers' existing knowledge and their ability to extrapolate from that.
  • [Letter comments on how heartbreaking the picture on "Former Allies" is.] Yup, sure is. They even bring up how Adam made the art for the photo and then they used it for some promotional thing before Shattered Timelines came out and people liked it because of how happy it was. Then we saw what it was for...
  • The La Capitan episode it was said that La Comodora erased this reality by going back to when it was created and preventing the event that caused it to branch off - then how do the Iron Legacy events in the main timeline even happen at all? Would all of the heroes forget about the Iron Legacy fight as it was erased from history? The comics still exist in the history of Sentinel Comics and the heroes remember the events happening.

Other Alternate Reality/Timeline Questions

  • Any notable relationships in Disparation stories? Shocking new villains (Citizen Dusk or a Conquering Tempest, perhaps)? First, to address part of the question's tone, Disparation doesn't generally take canon timeline heroes and have them interacting with the alternate universe (no "I can't believe we're dating in this universe" kinds of comments/reactions). The stories here are mostly just we, the readers, seeing this other reality already in progress. One that's pictured is a Setback/Kismet pairing in a La Capitan deck. Other interesting things: there's an Omnitron universe where everything and everyone is Omnitron, there's one where everybody is infected with the Plague Rat plague (featuring a Chrono-Ranger sent back to deal with that situation). Then there are other settings with one minor change like: everything is the same except Legacy was never born or Wraith died instead of winding up in that coma and seeing how things would play out - these are much more common than the big, sweeping difference stories. As for Citizen Dusk, Wager Master was actually showing her a version of herself from an alternate reality rather than mocking something up on the fly and, as a result of reader interest in that aspect of it we get a Disparation story within a few months that goes more into that. There were two villainous Tempets that we know about: one where, after coming to Earth, Tempest takes over the Citizens of the Sun and rules as Citizen Storm and another where Tempest was another conquering warlord and fought back against Voss and won (and so we get Grand Warlord Tempest).
  • Are time travelers like Visionary and Omnitron-X ever disappointed to find out that they aren't actually able to improve things in their home timelines? That is not a thing that is really addressed in the stories until near the end of the Multiverse era because it requires somebody with an outside perspective to be able to explain how everything works - and that's La Comodora. Since neither Visionary nor Omnitron-X have the means of going back to their home timelines, all they can do is work to make the future better as they can where they are.
  • In the Tachyon episode you mentioned that the Iron Legacy timeline was the "worst" timeline, is this actually so? What about Ivana Romonat's (the Luminary variant) home timeline and the Legacy of Destruction? Iron Legacy is worse. Legacy of Destruction timeline has successful heroes (such as Luminary's fight against Legacy and his Fearsome Five team). Cards on the table - this is a Disparation story where "the heroes are bad and the villains are good".
  • What specific things happened in Ivana's backgroud that made her turn out so different from Ivan? Her (still living) parents are the benevolent rulers of Mordengrad, which is a bright and shining city (as opposed to the corrupt and crime-ridden cities in America) and she uses her resources to try to make the world a better place.
  • What is the main thing that leads to a heroic Luminary rather than a villainous Baron Blade? Is having an evil Legacy around enough of a difference? Is there a "Baroness Blade" version of Ivana out there in the Multiverse? First, they make a distinction that a "Baroness Blade" (who certainly exists out there in the Multiverse) would be a female version of Baron Blade, not simply an evil Ivana (Ivana is such a different person from Ivan that they want to make this point explicitly). As for what leads to that difference, it's pretty pervasive. As mentioned above, this is a "everybody's alignment is flipped" kind of universe, and so the differences have to run deep and far back - like, Rook City is the only good city in the US ("Rook" here referring to the chess piece which resembles a castle or fortress wherein the Chairman works to protect the people) and Megalopolis is just that idea of a city built on a city built on a city giving you a Blade Runner or Judge Dredd kind of feel. C&A's dream job would be to write Disparation-style stories - take an existing canon and make up these hypothetical scenarios (not that they're complaining about their real job).
  • What's the nemesis relationship between Ivana and Legacy of Destruction like? Also, what's LoD's modus operandi? Legacy of Destruction is the most recent child in a long line of destructive Legacies - kind of anarchists who want to tear everything down (which is an interesting flip of normal Legacy's "upholding American values, etc."). Luminary doesn't have a backstory involving a Legacy killing her family or anything, although there's a history of Legacies fighting the people of Mordengrad (and there have been other Mordengradi heroes who have died at the hands of Legacy and the Fearsome Five). Legacy of Destruction is one of the biggest obstacles to Luminary's goal of making the world a better place.
  • What's the logo on Legacy of Destruction's outfit? Still a lantern, but it's a dark one - there's no light inside. The first Legacy of Destruction's (Gerard Parsons) first act was to destroy a lighthouse, which resulted in a lot of shipwrecks.
  • What happens to Ivana, Supply and Demand Benchmark, and Action Stuntman (and/or their home timelines) at the end of the OblivAeon arc? How about Greatest Legacy? The three mentioned heroes leave the "canon" timeline before OblivAeon is defeated, so they're not around, but we don't know for sure that they're "home" but we don't have any knowledge otherwise, so why not assume the best for them. All we can say for certain is that they're not stuck in the Sentinel Comics Universe or the Mist Storm Universe. Greatest Legacy is the canon timeline's Paul VII from the Golden Age of comics. This is the character who was the whole reason that Sentinel Comics exists so of course they're going to bring him back for OblivAeon (by La Comodora). There are other Golden Age heroes brought back too as this is meant to be a "greatest hits" kind of thing.
  • Can we learn more about the X-treme universe? Is everything extreme there? Do the XPW incapacitated artwork depict events that really happened? Did they make an appearance during the OblivAeon fight and, if so, what happened? The Xtremiverse is a thing and C&A love it. Everything is extreme there - it's a reality where it's perpetually the early-'90s, forever. Yes, all of the incap stuff happens. Yes, they come back during OblivAeon (again, because this is an all-hands-on-deck situation), but it's sort of just a "background of a panel" kind of cameo to show that they're there. There's an issue of something during OblivAeon that has a 4-page foldout splash page with literally hundreds of characters converging on OblivAeon (done by an artist who was famous back in the Silver Age for big scenes like this and they brought back for this issue [that's pretty old if OblivAeon is around 2020 and the Silver Age kind of transitions out sometime around 1970, although that line is a bit blurrier than some]). Creating this would take Adam weeks, so we're probably not likely to see it.
  • Can we learn more about Arataki's timeline? What are the Citizens like under Storm? Any other heroes we'd know Citizens? Why did Mack come to Earth in the first place (what of Voss and Tempest's people)? It's actually the Grand Warlord Tempest in Arataki's timeline, not Citizen Storm [this is at odds with the RPG Starter Kit info - or at least that the background info given for Haka there mentions Citizen Storm]. Citizen Storm came to Earth while pursuing/destroying the Thorathian fleet, but then didn't have a home to so set up shop on Earth and settled on the Citizens as a useful, powerful group to lead and so he took over.
  • We know that Arataki's version of Anthony Drake is the Argent Artist - is he still a musician? In this universe, there's always a Vessel of the Void who's always a visual artist of some sort (painting, sculpture, graphic artist for a modern take on it) who uses a signature color and the Argent Artist is the most recent Vessel.
  • Who are the other Prime Wardens in Arataki's timeline? Argent Artist (the leader), Haka (Arataki), Sekhmet (Ra's daughter), the Discordian (a hero from the Realm of Discord - picture a more humanoid Portal Fiend), and Anchor (Helena, a woman able to embody various members of the Host).
  • How did Maria Helena come to choose Arataki to be one of the two Hakas? She didn't "choose" so much as reach out and make do with the ones she managed to make a connection with. It wasn't a matter of being "worthy" but more just "receptive to her attempts to mess with the timelines".
  • What's the story behind the origins of Hellion and Seraph? How does Nightmist "recruit" Seraph? It's not so much "recruiting" and more just opening gates to everywhere and what comes through comes through. In this case, when the gate opened this villain Hellion came through and there's a fight going on and Seraph comes through to chase her. Some detail of the two of them was given in the Fanatic and Apostate episodes so go back to those for spoilery stuff, but the "story" to arrive at these is another case of inverting the original stories and playing things out like you'd expect.
  • What happens to the Fanatic with the black blade [this makes an appearance in the RPG Starter Kit] (and what's it's name)? That sword originally belonged to a corrupt Fanatic who died. La Comodora recognized the power of it (greater than the other 4 such weapons we've been told about) and the danger it represented and took it up before giving it to our Fanatic ("I almost don't want to give this to you, but we need it in order to have a chance"). This is a "weapon of power" as opposed to a "weapon imbued with power". It's called Course (in the sense of the course of a river, not coarse as in rough).
  • Are there other alternate reality villains who are around during OblivAeon and possibly in one of the two timelines after? Yes, but you'll just have to wait to see them in the OblivAeon set (many appear in the Mission deck) and who might still be around after will be seen in the various products down the line.
  • There's a comment about the page-by-page story breakdowns that some episodes feature that prompts a response from them indicating that the Patreon will, in part, allow patrons to have a say in which stories get told in future episodes.
  • The Cosmic Contest episode mentioned that Bugbear was glad to be able to breathe and feel the air again once back in reality - does that mean there's no air outside of it? Do entities outside of reality lose their form? Yes, there's no air and ehhh? You're not ethereal out there or anything, but you're also kind of in stasis and don't need to breathe (like, there's no time happening that would give your body a chance to suffocate), but La Capitan/Comodora and Chrono-Ranger still have a physical existence there.
  • What's the Animal-verse version of the Naturalist's deal? First, he's the Caturalist. One of his forms is this weird, gangly, naked ape thing - just a horrifying shape that nobody should be subjected to, everybody is repulsed by this thing - but it's kind of weird to have that shape at all as it doesn't seem to offer any kind of advantage other than maybe manual dexterity (but not excessively so as Animal-verse characters all have opposable thumbs already). He's got a number of other animal forms (more than the Naturalist has).
  • What's the Animal-verse version of Plague Rat's deal? Rat that gets infected and turns into another of these horrible ape things like Caturalist. Plague Man looks an awful lot like Plague Rat, only with a rat body and human face (with a patchy beard and male-pattern baldness, spreading his man-plague).
  • Stargent Adept, Absolute Fido, Omnitron-Rex, Rexpatriette, Bark Visionary, Mr. Chimps, and Skunker? All in the Animal-verse - there can be multiple animal pun alternates of any given hero (nay, every animal-pun alternate exists, like there's also an Absonewt Zero), so they're all canon. Although it must be pointed out that Omnitron-Rex isn't a dog, but a Tyrannosaurus.
  • What of the Animal-verse version of Akash'Bhuta, or Akash'Dharsha or Akash'Flora (Akash'Fauna?)? Is there a Plant-verse where the plant parts of her would be made of meat? Well the Animal-verse would obviously be Impalakash'Bhuta, like a giant Impala made of rocks and plants and dirt (as well as Impalakash'Thriya, Impalakash'Dharsha - made out of pavement and crystals and whatnot, and Impalakash'Flora which is a giant tree with impala-shaped leaves). A Plant-verse version would still have plants because everybody is plants, and it would be Asquash'Bhuta (and she primarily cares about how great gourds are and how non-gourds should die - plus she's the only sentient gourd, which is a problem for everybody else). Asquash'Thriya is a smaller heroic squash, Asquash'Dharsha is a big jack o'lantern with crystals inside, and rather than Asquash'Flora we have Asquash'Fauna which is a big animal-shaped thing walking around, but made of squash.
  • Do Environments change up between these various universes too (are Pike and his Otterative operating in Brook City, does Insula Primalis exist in the same geographic location in all of them, are there Megalopoleis that are as bad as Rook City)? Brook City is obviously right. They mentioned at least one bad Megalopolis earlier (in a universe where Rook City was a pretty nice place).
  • Is there any place that's the same in every timeline? No, the closest we get is "outside of time" which is kind of a non-Environment, and the Void which is always in flux (and so it's hard to quantify it as "the same" anywhere), but it's at least always in flux in the same kinds of ways. The Realm of Discord doesn't qualify as in the Animal-verse we've got to deal with Gloombeaver. "There are no fixed points in space."
  • Closing out, they talk about how much they love talking about the Animal-verse as it's just wacky fun. The Hippo there is just a hippo and wonders why people keep putting "the" in front of it, there's lots of hippos just like him.