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  • I've added the Variables extension and the Loops extension, as well as the Cite extension - these should all help in making templates. Just an FYI --Lynkfox (talk) 09:03, 21 January 2017 (CST)
    • Awesome! I'd been particularly thinking lately that I'd love to have the Cite extension (I'm assuming that's the one that involves Wikipedia's (ref) tags that produce those lovely source lists.) There's some other extensions I'd been eyeing as well, but I want to finish my layout redesigns first so I have an idea of which ones I'm eyeing would be most useful. --Jeysie (talk) 09:16, 21 January 2017 (CST)

I deleted this comment because of whats below. None of it is important anymore! --Lynkfox (talk) 17:37, 21 January 2017 (CST)

  • The idea is as follows:
    • Each Tab will be its own part of the page, which eliminates the heavy text walls and the weirdness of the toc
    • By making the Sidebars their own templates this does a few things
      • 1. It makes it far less difficult to code a master template.
      • 2. Because the info bars are their own subpage, we can make a really cool 'Playing Card' like page with them all together or something. I think you get my gist on that
      • 3. Means we can go hogwild on making a cool Tactics version without trouble on the Master Template
      • 4. We can color the sidebars differently for each type (Hero, Villain, Tactics, RPG eventually)
  • Problem I'm running into:
    • I can't get the Gallery to take the variables from the Template on the VillanBar template (so as to make up to 6 Nemesis Icons)
  • Things to think about
    • Do we need that top header bar with the name? With Tabs is it really necessary?
    • Colors : The tabs will all be the same color regardless, there isn't an option for different styles, though we can add our own to make them look unique and set properly to the site.
      • But what colors for Hero/Villain/Tactics Infobars?
  • Any other Thoughts?
    • Im beat. goodnight

--Lynkfox (talk) 20:39, 21 January 2017 (CST)

Well... I admit you kinda surprised me a little. I had been planning to discuss the design I came up with and finalize the coding before turning everything into templates. Some of the underlying code I came up with is a kludge because I wanted to show what it looked like, while the final design I would write up proper css to stick in the wiki stylesheet which would change some of the underlying code.

I'd already been planning to create a HeroCard template, a VillainCard template, a HeroDeck template, and so on, FWIW; I had just wanted to get an idea of what the entire page would look like first to see how things would be grouped, including whether we actually wanted the "cards" (but now I know we do, so that helps). I'd actually been planning to make a separate Tactics template, too.

I had actually been planning to create a second version to show what tabs would look like, but I had been planning to only tab the variant section, I admit.

Let me play around with this current setup to see what I can come up with, including an answer to your gallery tag problem and the templating code in general. Might be better to finalize something first and then change everything, as that'll be less work.

I know I felt a bit guilty at seeing you separate out all the References and such stuff to subpages, since there's an extension called that lets you put everything on a single page, mark up sections, and then include only certain sections on a page, but I didn't get to bring it up beforehand. Same with all the hero stuff being separated out since some of it got regrouped differently in this design.

Are you sure there's no option for changing the tab colors? I'm a little confused how they're currently being generated to be able to look into the source coding. I've seen other wiki sites which do some pretty nice formatting with their tabs, and I'm not sold on the current design of them (I'm assuming it's the default design).

I think the top header bar is still nice since IMHO it makes the title more obvious versus having to look back up at the tab bar, and kind of lets the design be a whole "card" visually.

Colors: I liked the blue for heroes and red for villains you mentioned in your deleted comments, maybe green for environments, not sure about Tactics; we probably should just keep Tactics stuff in the same color as the rest of the page rather than giving the entire franchise its own color.

Alternatively it should be entirely feasible to do different colors based on individual pages. Like pink for Unity, green or silver for Argent Adept, yellow for Captain Cosmic, etc. Depends on how fancypants you want to be, but classes and CSS make quite a bit possible.

To address some of your deleted comments since I think a few are still relevant:

I had made up for the smaller Biography section by adding in the cutscene dialogue to the "Card" since I have almost all of it done. (Well, OK, I have every villain done; it's just a matter of finishing up some of the generic hero messages I hadn't gotten already.) You deleted it from your current mockup so I wasn't sure where it should go now.

I forgot to note that with the References I didn't delete the Unconfirmed section entirely; I was more going to make it conditional on the template for it. (i.e. if there are Unconfirmed references, show the section, otherwise not).

I wouldn't worry about the set widths or making a separate mobile version; the design I made was structured with DIVs rather than tables and so on to be pretty flexible and shrink or expand as needed. I might have stuck a few max-widths on things to make it not get out of hand on big monitors, but that's about all that would be needed I think.

Other stuff:

I've been working on transcribing the Legacy podcast; I'm up to 15 minutes in on the first pass. The autotranscribe idea didn't work but I found an app that makes manual transcribing much less painful so six of one half dozen of another I suppose.

  • Getting excited and then just 'Doing it' is a common aspect of the way I work. XD No worries, I don't have any issue of doing things over again.
  • Putting the Video Game interactions with the Biography still feels like a good idea. It would certainly help on some pages, and it makes sense for it to be divided off per variant
  • Colors of the tabs
    • Yes, they can be changed, but due to the way the extensions works (it finds the = = header level and auto turns it into tabs) it will be the same for the entire site. Ie, I don't think there is a way we can do Blue tabs and Red tabs, but we should be able to do the background color differently. I may be wrong, however! I am a CSS novice.
  • That extension is pretty useful. Hmm. Have to think about that vrs Subpages. It should be able to do everything that subpages do. I'm kind of a partial fan to subpages, but I can see where this would be better for editing purposes later on. I'll definitely look into installing that.
  • As for CSS style sheets for the whole wiki, certainly. Again, I tend to get excited and then start working to get it out of my system.
  • Thanks for the gallery help - and yes, thats why I started doing it on TestCharacter to get everything finalized before finishing it to the site :P

--Lynkfox (talk) 06:18, 22 January 2017 (CST)

I was just worried about potentially running wholesale with something I hadn't actually finished yet. X3 When I had mostly just paused to take a breather and decided I might as well check to make sure it was something I should finish as opposed to you actually wanting something entirely different.

I see on the version page the extension you used for the tabs, so I can look into it in more depth. I'd at least like to try to create a different general styling. Something more compact that wraps a bit more cleanly, at least.

The single page/versus subpages depends on what we're doing organization-wise, really. Might be worth brainstorming how to group things and what sorts of big master pages we want. It'll likely be a hybrid with part subpages and part big pages, since some stuff would be too big to put on master pages anyway. (Like if we consistently transcribe the podcast, you'd want every podcast transcript to be its own subpage and then just link to it on a Letters Page index and the character subpages, because the transcripts will be huge.)

And even if it's decided to keep subpages such an extension might be useful anyway. Like for instance, if we ever decide that we want a master page of just card images, we can markup the sections on the character card subpages and then pull just the galleries from them into a gallery master page. Otherwise we'd have to have half a million little templates or sub-subpages everywhere to keep the same sort of flexibility.

I'd figure out the CSS for anything I do and test it on my own User CSS first so it's less work for you, no worries. I just put the CSS inline first so I could show what I'm working on to see if it's even on the right track. (Otherwise it turns into an endless round of "OK, you have to put this into your own User CSS to be able to see this..." any time I tweak things.)

I have a bit of experience doing all this stuff so I'm not just volunteering work for you, honest. I wouldn't suggest anything I hadn't already figured out all the coding and such for. (I used to edit on many moon ago and helped create their current main page design.) --Jeysie (talk) 07:48, 22 January 2017 (CST)

Apparently the UserCSS parameter is not enabled by default on Mediawikis. Oops. Well I have other ways to figure out the CSS anyway. --Jeysie (talk) 08:11, 22 January 2017 (CST)

Agreed, I was more wanting to get everything that was in my head down on paper(so to speak) so that I could a) see it and b) see where its going with your designs. Because I really do like a lot of the work you've been doing. --09:53, 22 January 2017 (CST)

Have been picking at the CSS. I think I've found a nicer way to format the tabs and a way to actually turn the active tab into a psuedo-header as a sort of compromise.

Also the way the tab extension generates code means I think it is in fact possible to make tabs different colors and even the content within each tab have different colors or other formatting.

Also also I've been finding ways to keep the existing formatting while using standard wikicode as much as possible (and semantic wikicode at that). Fewer DIVs and other non-wikicode tags lurking around.

The combo of Live CSS Editor extension for Chrome + Chrome's built in HTML Inspector is a godsend. Lets you tweak CSS in realtime and see what it'll look like without having to actually edit the pages.

But now I'm taking a break from yelling at my monitor for the day (figuring out why CSS does what it does can be such a pain especially when you're working on top of existing CSS), especially since my friend wants to play some Sentinels multiplayer in an hour and it'll be close to bedtime when we're done. --Jeysie (talk) 17:03, 22 January 2017 (CST)

Awesome work. Take your time, don't get too stressed out. You're not getting paid afterall! There is no deadline for this kind of thing :) When you're ready to put some of the CSS up, I can put it on the main MediaWiki:Common.css. If you need to, email it to me if thats easier. Whenever, no hurry! --Lynkfox (talk) 19:19, 22 January 2017 (CST)

It's a good stress, though. I like having problems I can solve for a change. Plus the result is looking nicer and nicer.

Might be easiest to either have you install the Live CSS Editor extension yourself or enable User CSS on the wiki so I can show stuff off without affecting everyone until we're ready... though with the way I have it set up I think we should also be able to put it in the wiki-wide CSS without affecting every single page. Certainly this would be set up to be character-page-centric CSS anyway or else the rest of the wiki would look really funny. --Jeysie (talk) 12:06, 23 January 2017 (CST)

Progress! I think I've finally got everything except the Tactics section looking the way I want it. And the layout should flow decently even on smaller screens, with the gallery adjusting smaller and smaller and then finally below a certain point it becomes single-column. It looked acceptable down to the smallest my browser can get, anyway, which is 609px wide. I should be able to start working on template coding for you soon now, then I can test out a villain page setup (probably with Omnitron).

BTW, is there any way we can ask the Handelabra folks what font they use for the Multiverse? I want to see if I can find a free font that looks similar to try something.

Also curious, where is Grandpa Legacy's bio from? It differs significantly from the Multiverse one, since I thought I might as well proofread some stuff while I was at it. --Jeysie (talk) 12:51, 24 January 2017 (CST)

I might be able to get the font for you, the actual one. Maybe. Waiting on a few things.

No idea about gpa legacy

I'll look into the other loops extension either tonight or in the next few days.

Posting from phone at work, hah

--Lynkfox (talk) 06:46, 25 January 2017 (CST)

Get back to work, you! (j/k) I'm my mom's live-in caretaker, so my work is at home. I do crazy stuff like this inbetween whatever she needs done.

The thing is, for my idea (a CSS thing), the font would be downloaded and displayed in people's browsers akin to how images are downloaded and displayed, so using any font that's not free as in speech to distribute would cause... problems. It's a pretty tiny thing in the long run, if it'll be a big hassle.

Hmm. I basically was wondering if I should replace the bio we have with what's in the Multiverse, but that's dependent on where the bio we have now is from. No matter, it'll wait.

The loops extension may not be as big a deal after all. After yelling at my monitor a few times, I finally:

  1. Hardcoded the gallery if/thens because the best I could figure out was getting whatever the last defined image was to display with the loops option, and I was just like "oh forget it". At least I figured out the right way to get any template at all to work in a gallery tag!
  2. I did figure out how to get the Loops extension to work for the cutscenes! So no massive pile of if/then loops there! I bet I can recycle this for decks and references, too. I feel like a goddess right now.

So as long as we're OK with having to hardcode gallery-related if/thens (the nemeses one will probably require something like ten assuming all the new heroes will have OblivAeon as a nemesis), then we may not need to replace the loops extension. Otherwise, keep looking into it. I'l keep you posted on if I run into any new issues to worry about. --Jeysie (talk) 07:04, 25 January 2017 (CST)

It's early, and Im running a bit late for work, but just FYI {{!}} Is already a magic word for | - at least, according to the documentation it is...

Well I'm waiting for my car to heat up so...

I loaded up the Common.css - i figured this early it be OK to test it, not to many people around. Doesn't seem to be affecting anything other than the pages you have up, so far so good. I've been pretty busy with work, which is why I haven't had the time to get the other Loop extension or look into the User.css yet. sorry!

Like it! Looking pretty good. I think I may have liked your previous headers for the reference page a bit more - they were understated, but nice. The boxes feel very large to me. Good for main hero dialogues/character pages but not so great for things that are going to put together on one massive page, like the Main Reference Include.

like this:


I wouldn't bother with a template for the cards. Honestly, I feel like imputing the data for cards in a template would be just as much work as formatting them separately, and all except the new decks have all been done that way already - it would be a lot of time that doesn't need to be spent, imo, and I don't think a template will solve many issues for the card lists. - Then again, you seem to have got it out pretty easily, so... might not be too bad to use. - But converting it to the template... not sure its worth it. - Course tons of work to do already, lol

How hard would it be to separate the floating box on the right from the Card templates? I ask because I had an idea to put a page up with all the floating boxes together, a sort of quick references for all powers/incaps/difficulties/ect. Might not be feasible, might make to many template layers, ect.

Hmm. We may have to revisit that Red for villains. Looks pretty bad with the link color. I assume you snagged the values from the Villains page.

The tabs - have you tried making the text any smaller, and did it get to crowded/confusing to see? The headings all seem giant to me, but that might just be cause I'm brand new looking at it.

Over all, awesome work! Going to be a lot of work to convert every page, but that isn't a bad thing. Keep tweaking at it, and when we've got it to a point where you're feeling good with it and so am I, I'll start working on converting pages.

--Lynkfox (talk) 05:44, 27 January 2017 (CST)

Maybe a purple for the villains? That probably won't work to well either. Green would be better for environment pages (ie, Omnitron). I'll do some playing aroudn with colors in a few days to see if I can figure out something that looks good. A brownish red possibly.

Ill get that extension installed tonight or tomorrow. Just in case, even if we don't use it.

As for the non released OblivAeon stuff - nope. whats on the pages now is all that there is.

I don't have any problem doing a lot of the transition work too. Once we've got the finalized products down, I'll be putting in the hours. Trust me, even copy and pasting, there is a LOT of work to do. It took me close to a month to copy and paste it over from the old wiki to here, at about 2-3 hours a day on average. Its a very very big task. I know I said when this first started out that I wouldn't be transfering, but that was when I had just finished doing the first run... and was tired xD Its been months since then, and I have the energy to do it again.

--Lynkfox (talk) 10:08, 28 January 2017 (CST)

Actually, As for the Red - Leaving the tabs the same red will be fine, if we convert all the headings in the actual card to what is above (the References, bottom line idea) it will be clean, concise, and not worrying about odd color issues. I think that is a good idea.

We definitely need to drop the size though. I'm thinking H4 is a good place, instead of h2. All across the board, though H3 maybe for the Tabs.

Last, I am thinking we may need a 'General' tab - for information that doesn't really pertain to the variant. Information coming out of the Podcasts, like the Parson's line for Legacy and the information about Wraiths comic line and Maniac Jack and such that doesn't really fit on any specific variant page. General, or Overview, or something.

--Lynkfox (talk) 10:25, 28 January 2017 (CST)

Labeled Section extension is installed, so have fun!

I understand what you mean about finding the bits that make each page unique, and how transitioning it helps find them. Luckily, I think I understand templates fair enough now that if I run into something while helping move them, I can probably add it to the template as well. And I love that wiki code makes it so that I can't really screw that up, because it can always be rolled back ;P

Fair point on the text size. Um I'm thinking around 12pt for the section headers, maybe 14 for the Tabs. I think I have my text size right. Bolded, with an underline all the way across will help differentiate from the section itself, without taking up more space than necessary.

General Tab - some of that stuff thats in the reference section I'm finding I don't really like in there. It was a fine section to have when everything was bits and pieces here and there on various forum posts that had to be collected. Now, with the Podcast, we're starting to get more story like tidbits, that I think can be written up to be better than bullet points. I'm not quite certain yet exactly how I want to go about it. I'll futz around with my ideas and get back to you.

--Lynkfox (talk) 13:25, 28 January 2017 (CST)

ooh. Don't forget, while your looking for exceptions to the rule... Rook City is different from Rook City(Expansion) like OblivAeon(Villain) and OblivAeon(Expanison), and a few other diambigs that I didn't actually set up as a disambig.

Oh, cool. I didn't know about that trailing | trick. That is nice.

I'll probably start working on some of them next week. Maybe. I donno. lol.

If you want, feel free whenever to move your finished work to the Template: namespace with a category template in the noinclude. Cleaning up is always good.

Plus, if you're satisfied with, say Legacy, we can go ahead and make the conversion on the real page once you have the templates in the Template: namespace. If you're satisfied. if you arent, thats OK to, no hurry.

--Lynkfox (talk) 15:56, 28 January 2017 (CST)

Oh, I like!

So, I very much like the concept of the Hover Tabs, but i feel that the practicality of it won't work out to well. First, the page popping up and down is very disorienting, second, I can very easily see many idiots not seeing the menu option and complaining they cant find it. So, while it is a really cool effect, I don't think it will be worth going with.

Next - I really like the text size changes, plus the Capitalization and bold first letters. It looks nice. When I get ahold of the official font, It will probably only be in the tabs on the top, maybe the section headers (ie: Biography) - due to it being a comic book font (and far to close to comic sans)

I think we're getting pretty much on track for the whole big picture. Red color on the villain we still need to think about - i'll plug some color changes in this week (i got the live css editor, as you suggested)

Last, hmm. Something is stopping me from putting it up on the Common.css - something about a spam protection. I have no idea why that would be, I'll have to look into fixing that otherwise it will be really hard to put up for the site as a whole!

Great work --Lynkfox (talk) 16:38, 30 January 2017 (CST)

Saw what you were doing with the Sentinels Biography. I want to keep the Tactics/RPG info stuff very clearly separate from the card game, which is why I created that TacticsInfo template with legacy. I used Tachyon for the RPG, and Guise for stubs. For general reminder stuff (like on the The Southwest Sentinels Bio pages) lets use Wraith - Wraith reminds you from the shadows: Or, since it probably will mostly be used on the Sentinels, we can can use the Southwest Sentinels icon instead

--Lynkfox (talk) 19:46, 31 January 2017 (CST)

Oh, a switch is a good idea. I have RPGInfo and Stub right now, already in the Template Namespace.

Really, those are the 4 - Tactics (Legacy) RPG (Tachyon), Stub (Guise), and General Reminder Info (Wraith) - Don't think we need any more - stuff like Dark Conductor, the Sentinels Bios, thats all good 'General Reminder' - Beacon is good as a Tactics reminder.

We should actually probably do the template like {{Info|Type=Tactics/Rpg/Stub/General|Additional Text}} - and that will fill in nicely. --Lynkfox (talk) 05:28, 1 February 2017 (CST)

So, what I assume you are doing is plugging every page into your template, finding all the quirks you need to code for, and then saving the filled out template off the site for later converting en masse? And then you'll also be moving all the templates to the Template namespace (such as the Naturalist icons, smart!)

When you do start moving things to the Template: namespace, just don't forget to put the template category in the no include :)

I'm going to be working on some other things for a while regarding the wiki, so I leave this to you. Glad you're enjoying it!

--Lynkfox (talk) 19:43, 3 February 2017 (CST)

I was adding the (rhino) template, so I went ahead and moved the Rhino,Croc,Gazelle, and H icon templates over to the Template namespace. Hope that doesn't cause you too much trouble, but wanted to make them available for any to use, and get them in their right spots.

And yeah, I forgot to say it but the {{Info}} template looks great.

-oh. And see Template:Spell when you get to Nightmists page.

Lynkfox (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2017 (CST)

I'll get to those deletes either tonight or in a few days. Same. With moving info.

Don't worry about any of the images. I'm working on getting official images for all of them.

If you want to put a slot for deck backs, that be cool, plus we should probably add a section in the info bar for characters to link to their podcast episode. Lynkfox (talk) 09:48, 7 February 2017 (CST)

pages deleted, and i turned off the spam filter long enough to put up the current .css Cool stuff.

--Lynkfox (talk) 17:58, 7 February 2017 (CST)

OK. Haven't added the new CSS yet, do that this weekend.

I'm fine with that sub page idea - thats basically how I was going to go with it.

Decks, for Void Guard. I'm thinking, pages like Legacy/Iron Legacy each have their own page, and I'd bet that when you get on to the villains, those like La Capitan will have one for their regular deck and their vengeance style. so lets do a separate page for the Void Guard.

--Lynkfox (talk) 22:22, 10 February 2017 (CST)

Can we do, say Luminary as a page and just include it as a tab on Baron Blade? I want to include all the character information together on the same 'page' because it's all the same characters story, they just change monikers at some point. So on Baron blades page there is a tab that just says Luminary, and on the code it's just an include to another page named Luminary with all the info on it.

I understand that automating as much as possible is good, but in reality how many more characters are we really going to get? Maybe one or two for each tactics expansion, a couple of important ones in the rpg, and whatever mini sort of bosses come out of OblivAeon (ie, the scions). I'm saying this because we're at a point where there isn't going to be much that we need more, why not instead of automating it for one off cases find a way to just set it that way. Ie, for Luminary as a sub page that is included with a tab on Baron Blade but maybe doesn't make full use of the template. Just enough of it and we make do with the rest.

Like for example on the old wiki, I kludged a way into doing multiple nemesis icons in the template. By far that wiki language isn't as powerful, but the gist was the template was (image start code) (editor input for icon name) (image end code)

And I clubbed my way through it by making the input: (icon name - end image code - start image code - second icon name)

Sure its not elegant. Sure it's got problems. But we're dealing with one off situations here. Can we make it possible to do that way instead of all possible one off situations being included? It would mean more confusing page code, but most people won't be editing that stuff, just the references sections.

Lynkfox (talk) 14:07, 13 February 2017 (CST)

Sent from my phone. I msg you on reddit too, check there as that was easier from my phone.

Lynkfox (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2017 (CST)

I don't think we need the Villain Clarifications, Deck, and References on the hero side, and vise versa. I see no problem with simply a tab that says 'Villain Side' or whatever, and when you click on it you get all the info for the villain. The Villain References, Deck, Clarifications on the Hero page seems extraneous.

--Lynkfox (talk) 18:37, 14 February 2017 (CST)

Looks good. Lets put them on the original variant, no need to make the tabs any more cluttered than needed, and its not like the podcast link is going to be hard to find, given that its in a dozen other places between the wiki, reddit, the forums, ect... and good idea on the complexity/difficulty category.Lynkfox (talk) 20:01, 14 February 2017 (CST)

I've noticed you've moved on to villain stuff. If you're confident in it, we can put the hero redesign stuff up all now, if you would like. If you are worried you'll have to make too many more changes to the template for the villains, its fine too to leave it till then.

Thats cool. Remember, the Ennead is getting Tactics information, so treating them like Variants isn't a bad idea. Or something along those lines. Maybe even we split them up into their own pages, but link to the primary one from The Enneade (ie, treat each member like it would be a Villain instance of a hero? - So the main Ennead page has tabs for Geb, Shu, Atum, Deck, References, and each is a link to the individual page, which will have the Tactics info on it as well?)Lynkfox (talk) 17:50, 18 February 2017 (CST)

Yeah, wait to make the pages until we have the info, no problem there - just be sure to be thinking of it. heh. Lynkfox (talk) 07:17, 19 February 2017 (CST)

I'm an old fart. Well not really, but its been probably 15 years since I tried to do any sort of coding at all. any. So... Thanks :) I'm picking it back up slowly, but it will be slow. Lynkfox (talk) 19:40, 22 February 2017 (CST)

I added the Categories of Sentinel Tactics, Stub, and Sentinel RPG to the Info template. I realize that might actually be an issue for your charactercard template. If it is, I think only the Stub one needs to remain, we can banish the others and take care of the categorizing elsewhere.Lynkfox (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2017 (CST)

Re: Info categories: Well, this does remind me that one question I wanted to ask at some point is if you wanted the variant subpages alone to be in the edition/group/etc. categories while the main character pages are in just the Heroes/Villains categories, or if the main character pages should also take on all the variant subpages' categories.

Hmm. let me make sure I have this right in my head. You are asking if we should do a) Legacy on hero category, Greatest Legacy,Beacon, Finest Legacy ect all on the categories fror their editions/groups/ect, or if we should bundle it all to the main page of Legacy, right?

I think we should bundle it all to the main page of the Hero/Villain and leave the subpages as only having the categories of 'Variant', 'Complexity/Difficulty'. This way, say for example, the Rook City category doesn't end up with a bunch of subpages on it that all are part of Expats page, just Expat. But Complexity 3 might have one of AbZero's variants, one of Legacys Variants, ect ect because we are supposedly getting a chart of all variant complexities.

hope that made sense. Lynkfox (talk) 07:21, 26 February 2017 (CST)

I'm good with what you put forth on my talk page. Go forth and conquer.

Another wrinkle though. Got the icons from Jgarcaia and not sure if you thought of this. All the Villains turned Hero have the same icon, File:Oblivaeonicon.png - so you might need a special case for their hero pages.

Lynkfox (talk) 05:09, 28 February 2017 (CST)

Whatever works for you. I have the foils so I can proofread, just leave Me a list of what you need

As for the new edition images, I'd like to use them too but I also want the official ones as well. I wonder if we can do like a nice little corner piece with them somewhere, and have the bigger one on the bar like we do now. Not sure exactly. Maybe up with the difficulty and hero icon? I don't know if it's possible without being overloaded.

Eh. Screw it. Just use them in place of the old icons, I think they look better anyways and I feel it's food to get some fan love onto the wiki. Lynkfox (talk) 12:31, 28 February 2017 (CST)

Works for me!

BTW I'll be out of communication from Thurs to next Thurs. Do what you feel is right, I think at this point you've got a good feel for what I'm looking for. Lynkfox (talk) 13:15, 28 February 2017 (CST)


Let me know when you're done with the CSS and i'll add it to the master CSS page. Then we'll get this conversion underway! Lynkfox (talk) 20:15, 9 March 2017 (CST)

Hah. When youre ready.

Anyways, I thought of something else to add. Think we could add a link to the Variant Unlock Files for the video game? I'm not sure if they have individual links, but their might be a way - i can ask the Handelabra guys if they have any suggestions.

I read your sad programming lamenting, and wonder - Mediawiki has Inclusion limits, and loop call limits. I wonder if we might be running up against them? They can be increased (but I'm not at home to look at what the limits are currently set at) I also think the IfExists function has a limit to how many times it will be called as well. is it possible we're hitting those limits?

Anyways, your work is great, keep it up. We're in the home stretch. At least the real hard stuff is done!

(well, i always considered debugging to be the easy step, hah...)

Lynkfox (talk) 09:34, 11 March 2017 (CST)

Ill reach out ot Handelabra to see if there are individual links to their webpage variant unlocks. They're at PAX East so it will be some time.

Image wise, I'm at the mercy of Adam - Paul said Adam is working on getting all the images together, but it probably won't be till some time after Pax East. If it comes down to it, I'd rather get the pages up with the new look even if it means missing images, and go back and add the images later (also that means, because you are generating the image names for the template, that we can make sure we put the images in the right names on the wiki)

Hah! I actually followed all that code talk. I feel good about that. In hindsight it makes sense, but you are right, its not very intuitive at first glance. If, with the deck linking, you need me to up the limits let me know. We don't do that much that a few more calls will be that bad, i'm pretty sure.

Lynkfox (talk) 06:52, 12 March 2017 (CDT)

If you get me a list of file names as you want them (ie, variant names) then I'll work on moving images to both the Namespace Portrait: (as well as whatever other namespaces) and to the standardization. More easy to do ness is good.

Lynkfox (talk) 17:46, 13 March 2017 (CDT)

Fair point on the namespace

for your other questions

How many characters actually will have Enhanced images to worry about, anyway? Is it just AZ and Bunker's incaps?

I believe those are the only two who changed in the Enhanced Edition. - The ones that changed from First to Enhanced all have their images up.

Which villains are and aren't getting foils?

As I am aware, all villains are getting a foil (ie, upgraded image) card. Team and not team. OblivAeon may be the exception. OblivAeon may be weird.

What is Female Luminary's actual variant name? Does she have one? Is that her actual variant name? I've just been using that in my files for now because I have no idea what else to use.

Ivana Romanof. Or Alternate Universe Luminary. She doesn't really have an official variant name, I believe 'Ivana Luminary' or 'Ivana Romanof Luminary' is what has been going around. Edge case

I've been using "Team Villain" for all team variants of characters and their decks, since it's the collective term the digital game uses and it seemed less unwieldy than "Vengeance-style" and easier to code than swapping between Vengeance and Villains/VotM all the time. Is that OK?

Yes (and Matches the video game)

Why are we kind of inconsistent on our "the" usage? Like it's Argent Adept and Wraith and Chairman, but also The Operative and The Dreamer and The Ennead.

Cause I'm inconsistent. It probably isn't a bad idea to put 'The' back on AA, Wraith, and others who don't have it. Mostly, its because I don't Alphabetize by 'The' (unless absolutely necessary) and was thinking about that while renaming images in my personal folders.

Lynkfox (talk) 05:14, 14 March 2017 (CDT)

Removing The. I'm fine with it, because I hate alphabetizing by The, even though Christopher does it all the time on the forums :P - And the manuals. I guess they are part of the character name so its OK, but still... i'd rather get rid of it at least for file naming purposes. Having redirect for pages is not a problem (*ie, The AA, and AA)

I'm gonna clean up my talk page and just archive it all to Talk:Lynkfox/Archives for now, may delete that later (but i hate deleting things i may need some day...)

Lynkfox (talk) 17:57, 14 March 2017 (CDT)

I believe for like the Minor Characters, a stripped down version will be fine - Just a single tab at the top, something that can be put in and connected to other pages if they get a major character somewhere (like choke)

For Anvil and Hammer, can you do ... Main Page: Citizens Anvil and Hammer (Team), sub page Citizens Anvil and Hammer (Minion) or something along those lines?

Lynkfox (talk) 14:43, 18 March 2017 (CDT)

Sounds good.

Its good too because if someone doesn't know Chokepoint exists but is savy about the wiki links above, they may just put in Choke and at least get to the page somehow. Lynkfox (talk) 07:02, 19 March 2017 (CDT)

If you haven't got to The Organization minions yet, we can do something similar with them. Lynkfox (talk) 07:02, 19 March 2017 (CDT)

Yeah, there is a maintenance file called MoveBatch.php which will allow me to do moves of many files quick and easily. Lynkfox (talk) 18:02, 21 March 2017 (CDT)

Moving Images

Ok. So. few things we ran into that I ... kinda fixed.

1) Needed to have File: in the original name and the new name of the batch file. Luckily, Notepad++ is awesome.
2) Bunch of the heroes had full after their original file name. A TON of these were .jpg not .png, so that might have been why? Not all of them were though. got most of them moved I think.
3) I ... may have messed up at one point. heh. See, I have a couple of duplicate images - basically the same image, but with a black border. These are from the variant display page, (black border for printing purposes) and a lot of them got moved into the new naming scheme instead of the nicer stuff.... so... that will be something we have to correct. I'm working on a list now, but may be interrupted by mundane things like... grocery shopping.
4) Tactics images didn't get moved yet, but that can be a project for another day.

Other than that, images moved, redirects left behind. deleteBatch will be our friend for that, I think. hopefully.

Lynkfox (talk) 06:10, 26 March 2017 (CDT)

1 - no worries

2/3- ah. Makes sense. thats why those were in there, and why they wouldn't move for the most part later. I may have moved some things that werent what you were thinking, because they were JPGs not PNG, and i just moved the original jpgs. We'll sort it out eventually.

4 - of course. like i said, for another day.

5 - delete batch - yep. we'll leave the redirects till we're done, then go delete them.

My preference is .png, i like that file format much better than jpg. So yes, when I do get the new images, they will all end up .png. I did end up with a bunch jpg, but I'll get them sorted out when the time comes to make new ones.

I did put in a request that Piecemeal images given to us is OK, from the GTG team, and to start with the Villain Front/Backs if that is easier than all at once.Lynkfox (talk) 10:54, 26 March 2017 (CDT)

I think you're doing great work. If you want to do something with some more visibility, then by all means go ahead and convert where you wish. The coding is the hard part, and we're lucky to have found your dedication.

Lynkfox (talk) 17:47, 27 March 2017 (CDT)


Hah. No, you didn't ruin anything. I spent about an hour the other night puttering with thoughts on it and not finding an acceptable solution. I was staring at the thought of having to make a giant f'n #switch function for all possible outcomes and was about to jump into an active volcano at the thought.

Oooh. I see. you cheated! I like it, its a good cheat. I was trying to figure out a way to get the Achievement names in there as well, and just hating every thought at having to do it manually. That is actually a really good solution, and with a little bit of work on the Achievements page, can add the 1,2,3 to achievements to make an easy correlation.

love it! I'll futz with all the relevant pages tonight.

Lynkfox (talk) 05:22, 3 April 2017 (CDT)

Oh, and if you're ready for the Meta template (as i see you got the documentation done) let me know what CSS you need added to the common and we can do that. Lynkfox (talk) 05:27, 3 April 2017 (CDT)

Main Page

Thoughts? Main_Page/Redesign and Main_Page/Redesign2 Lynkfox (talk) 09:40, 30 April 2017 (CDT)

Great! That was exactly the feedback I was looking for. I'll fiddle around with it this weekend. I have some ideas to go forth with what you provided, and I should be able to get something better designed after a few attempts. Lynkfox (talk) 05:13, 2 May 2017 (CDT)

I don't know if you've seen the new update for the OblivAeon Kickstarter, but there was a (small) image of the chart of heroes complexity. I noticed that all of them have their own design for their names. Obviously its not going to be something the wiki has access to for a while, but I bet it will be in the img dump we're expecting in a few months. Maybe we can work it into the template design? Lynkfox (talk) 16:55, 2 May 2017 (CDT)

I assume Real life has gotten ya! I'm hoping to get the new design installed by the time OblivAeon arrives - How much do you have left to do? I was under impression you're working on the Minor Villain characters, just making sure everything fits.

I'm of the opinion at this point, with many things showing up like Sanction which needs to be tied to Celestial Tribunal (like Omnitron and OIV) that we should push out what we have, as long as its the majority of the major characters and clean up as we need to later.

Let me know your thoughts, and if there is anything I can do to help?

Lynkfox (talk) 10:34, 27 May 2017 (CDT)

Mobile View and Tabs

So I got a mobile friendly view working, but It doesn't like the Headertabs. I believe this is an easy fix, all we have to do is adjust the skin to recognize the single = instead of just the ==. I'm using this extension: - PM me on reddit or the forums if you are interested in tackling figuring that bit out. Should be possible, but I've never messed with a skin file so I'd be going in blind - if you're interested pop me an email address and I'll get you a copy of the skin file to mess with - not sure how you'd test it but well, hey. The fun of figuring stuff out. Lynkfox (talk) 05:42, 7 September 2017 (CDT)

No worries! I'm diving into some coding classes about front-end web development, so maybe I'll be able to figure it out :). If not, we'll something else can always be done. Do you have any other suggestions for mobile views (different extensions, other options)? It is not a huuuge priority for me, but I understand why people want it. I saw some other options, this one just seemed easiest but... in retrospect it may not be! Lynkfox (talk) 05:48, 8 September 2017 (CDT)

So your using more Float elements rather than table layouts, and using ... gah i forgot what it was but the css that catches the window width? (I'm just curious, trying to get my motivation up to get out of my current job and coding of various directions is something I used to be very into, decades ago.)Lynkfox (talk) 18:29, 8 September 2017 (CDT)


Yeah, I can probably do that this weekend. Not a bad idea! Lynkfox (talk) 16:07, 15 September 2017 (CDT)


Yeah. We need to drop the size down to 600. I'll take care of that this weekend (i should be able to find some time), cause I forgot, they also need Watermarked. (Official requests from the bosses) I've got a quick process for doing it, so shouldn't be too bad.

I've been working on another wiki project for GtG (i'm sure you can guess what it is :P) and I have learned a TON about CSS and coding templates, so I was considering in January trying my hand at the Hero templates again. You'res are still levels above what I am capable of (i do a lot more templates into templates sort of deal, and yours have a lot more automation) But I'm definitely getting the hang of it.

As for Mobile - Yeah. Ugh. That mobile extension is bad. I'm probably going to be removing it. I like the Tabs still as the best way to link Villain/Hero/Environments in the same name, as its unobtrusive and makes it look like one page even though its not.

Do you know if you can do a media CSS call on wiki's? (i.e. : media="screen and (max-device-width: 480px)" ) I haven't had the chance/time to try it out, but I figure if we can, we can do a common.css and a mobile.css and just adjust the inline-box display sizes or change it so it ends up a column instead of across the width of the screen.

Podcasts - Go for it. If you got a better design, make it so!

Lynkfox (talk) 06:57, 4 November 2017 (CDT)

Got them up. Ironically, I made a mistake with the dimensions, its not 600x600, but no width greater than 600. Oh well, as squares they work better for the gallery anyways, so no harm done :)

I agree with your thoughts on the podcast page. If you've got the inclination, go for it. It definitely needs some work. I never did get to updating the template to remove the tabs if they weren't used, that probably should be done too. Hell, the whole template could use an overhaul ;)

Lynkfox (talk) 08:52, 5 November 2017 (CST)

Looks Great!

Lynkfox (talk) 16:42, 8 November 2017 (CST)

New Designs

Tabs extension is installed. Does it play nice with Headertabs? And do you know what CSS classes we have to use to edit it to match? Let me know. Lynkfox (talk) 11:20, 13 January 2018 (CST)

So I've been working now on it too. I've learned a bunch about CSS since I started this, so... I'm sure there is still a ton bad with this ;) I loaded the css up onto the common so its visible.


I messed around with the Tabs extension. I had all the info boxes in a tab container for a bit, but with no way to directly link two tabs to change together, it didn't work to well. Still, I think that perhaps it might work well to hide the Meta/Deck/Power Cards/Video Game Interaction pages in on the Hero page.

Also, made a decision to link Sentinel Tactics, Sentinel Comics RPG, and Villain/Environment with same name to a new page, with tab links back to the other pages as needed. Might be harder to Template but I'm worried less about that than really. All the heroes are out. So... Templates are nice for keeping things updated, and we'll make use of them, but I don't think that we need to go 100% automated like you were trying to do before. Better to make general cases and require a bit more work on the person inputing the information rather than trying to come up with every edge case. If this wasn't the 'Official' Wiki, and custom heroes were allowed I'd agree with full automation, but because they aren't then I don't think it will be necessary.

Anyways. Long way to go. Take care.

Lynkfox (talk) 12:59, 13 January 2018 (CST)

What if we do it by Game?

So: User:Lynkfox/Sandbox

A SotM tab, a Lore Tab (move References there?) a Tactics, a RPG, and we can have a few extra tabs for linking to weird stuff (Like Iron Legacy and Beacon and Legacy, Various Omnitrons, ect

Well... something is messed the F up with the tabs on that page. I'm wondering if HeaderTabs and Tabs don't play nice together. If they don't, we might have to do a Collapsible structure (like what I used for the Spoiler tag?)

Anyways, futz about with that a bit. See if we can refine something down to more managable.

Lynkfox (talk) 15:41, 13 January 2018 (CST)

Well I managed to fix whatever was wrong with the tabs.

So few things.

1) Since all the Variants are in the Video Game, I say we go with Card Images. For 2 reasons - Unified Size and it has all the Power/HP/Ect information on it for the Variants, allowing us to reduce the number of tabs needed/input fields needed saving space. We'll figure something out for Tactics/RPG, but those don't have variants so that will make it easier.

2) The Rotated LEGACY class will need some work. I hodged it together , and it works on fullscreen but starts to be bad when resized. Plus might need to do something about the Icons there. That also won't work for Villains with multiple Nemesis Icons - so we'll need to revisit that. In fact that whole bar will need some work, It was a first pass.

3) Fiddle with styling the Tabs for the mini tabs to match the HeaderTabs? Or something close? For the life of me I could not change the shape of the tab, no matter what style/class/whatever I gave them. Probably also need to switch it to {{ instead of < because the < wont pass parser functions well, hard to template the names then.

4) Darken the Tabs text I think. Or lighten the colors. Different colors for Tactics/RPG?

5) Any other thoughts?

Lynkfox (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2018 (CST)

I consolidated my ideas on User_talk:Lynkfox/Sandbox feel free to chime in there Lynkfox (talk) 07:35, 14 January 2018 (CST)

If you're around, can you help me figure out while this loop isnt working?

{{#vardefine:alternatecount|1}} <!--Alternate Heroes amount, increases in order to add more heroes images to the gallery. -->
{{#vardefine:endLoop|0}} <!-- End Loop Check Variable -->

<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights=350px widths=250px perrow=0 class="heroFont">
{{#while: |{{#ifexpr: {{#var:endLoop}}<1|true}}|{{#if: {{{sotmName{{#var:alternatecount}}|}}}|Image:{{{sotmName{{#var:alternatecount}} }}} Standard Front.png{{!}}<center>{{{sotmName{{#var:alternatecount}} }}}<center><br><br>{{{sotmHP{{#var:alternatecount}} }}}<br><br>{{{sotmPowerName{{#var:alternatecount}} }}}: {{{sotmPower{{#var:alternatecount}} }}}{{#vardefine:alternatecount|{{#expr:{{#var:alternatecount}}+1}} }}|{{#vardefine:endLoop|1}} }}

Lynkfox (talk) 09:38, 16 March 2018 (CDT)

Thanks! Its a bit slow going but I'm getting there, and have learned a LOT about CSS, lol.

Small caps - Yeah. The Text blocks and what not are totally -not- going to stay Small-caps. That was a bad decision and I just haven't figured out how I feel they should look yet.

Tag... okay, so how is that used?

Lynkfox (talk) 15:40, 31 March 2018 (CDT)